Warhammer 40,000 Battle Report: Genestealer Cult vs Space Marines 2000pts

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David Scott
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David Scott

Ey it you want silly property purchasing stuff come to colorado US XD

Bulwyf
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Bulwyf

Another pear shaped disaster of a BR to be honest about it. When is the last time Spider and Ben played a game where the lists were somewhat balanced against each other? The new space marine codex and supplements will hopefully bring them up to snuff. Some of the elements that really hurt SM armies are the high troop cost and limited mobility. Perhaps the new supplements will give them enough killy upgrade to just power through units quickly enough to keep those negatives from killing the game.

Flapdoddle
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Flapdoddle

Also – just thought. I think the Imperial Fists would really suit you now, B-Bone. That exploding 6s on bolter guns rule would be tasty with nappies and vets!

Lemquy
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Lemquy

Well well, love the rustic cult, collecting antique skulls around from across the imperium. Great game Lawrence and Bone.🍻

Flapdoddle
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Flapdoddle

just a bad matchup, mr. bone! Perhaps it would’ve been closer if they weren’t rusted claw?

Hutch
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Hutch

“I underestimated the power of the list” – spider is becoming as classic a catchphrase as “two thin coats” or “ill be back” haha! Love it. rematch with the studio’s orcs bone? Good training for your tourney army as if you do go orcs you will be coming up agaisnt alot of cult (maybe mine!) Orcs have both enough fire power and cheap screeing to negate alot of the cult’s tricks. Also another “top tier” army right now. Just a thought. Another awesome rep gents keep it up.

Imperial Grunt
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Imperial Grunt

Great game guys but I was hoping for a SM win as well! Running pure Primaris is difficult with their cost and while Infiltrators are great, they are expensive. Same with Inceptors, etc…

Really looking forward to the new updated Codex and to see your review. What Chapter Tactics will you choose for the Obsidian Dragons now that you can pick your own?

Keep up the quality work gents!

Jade
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the rustic claw is when gene stealer meets Warhammer sigmar

MasterWis
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« It’s a dice game, you don’t always get the luch » – Lawrence Baker.

AquitaineUA
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AquitaineUA

that rederntros seem is falling down because that kind of robots don’t walk like a human, they do not raise the leg so high like the miniature.

Renart de Maupertuis
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Renart de Maupertuis

I am litterally fed up with them trying to guess the end of the game and not playing it. That’s highly irritating.

B.M. S.
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So, have the Dragons actually won a game so far? 😀
I really want Primaris to be viable, maybe the new Chapter Tactics will push them over the edge of mediocrity!

Klod
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Klod

1:20:40 that was some insane pile in move. You are not allowed to do that. When you pile in you have to end your move closer to the closest MODEL. You can’t just dance around the unit as you wish. I hope you can remember this rule. I see many people get this one wrong.

Mikael Blom Jensen
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Mikael Blom Jensen

wait for the new space marines codex !!! it will help 🙂

Samuel Harding
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Samuel Harding

Could TTT get a dedicated gsc guest player to take on Lawrence using some drukari nastiness?

Philip Leo
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Philip Leo

The vigilus detachment isn’t worth it. Take at most one max squad of 10 I guess if you must. You need some inceptors in that list instead. They would have won that game.

Jens Hillefall
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Jens Hillefall

1:20:43 that pile in, is not legal.
Pile in towards the nearest enemy model, same with consolidation.
Both are towards the nearest enemy model to get closer to it.
It did not matter in the end since the unit was almost wiped anyway, but had they survived.

Jens Hillefall
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Jens Hillefall

Bone, Trough unity devastation works in a similar way to Storm of fire for your Tau, but its locked to one enemy unit. The most official statement is from Warhammer community in the Tau Tactica. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/13/tau-empire-tactica-part-1gw-homepage-post-4/ “If you want to crank this up even more, opt for the Through Unity, Devastation Warlord Trait. Like the Storm of Fire Warlord Trait for Space Marines (my personal favorite!), it provides a buff that, on a 6+ to wound an enemy unit in line of sight of your Warlord, grants nearby units an additional -1 AP for their weapons” In your next Tau-game… Read more »

Marcin Dudojć
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Marcin Dudojć

I think you cant stop OW against TAU, since Mass Hypnosis works against 1 unit, and then you can use FTGG from other unit. Only way is to charge in with unit/model that cant be target of OW, for example Howling Banshee.

Rob Butcher
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The coming Chapter Supplements look interesting and might help make the SM competitive.

BUT only if some tactics are used. Where was the screening ? Reserves ? Psychic protection ? The well-documented success of GSC charging to kill knights (GT Finals) and bikes throwing massed demo charges (USA) needs defending against.

Jack Burlison
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Jack Burlison

I like salamanders, but I can’t help thinking it’s 100% the worst chapter tactic for this primaris list…
It works really well with squads with one special/heavy weapon, but re-rolling a hit and wound for a single bolt rifle per unit – why? Even the dreadnoughts barely benefited as they were dakka-dread builds.

I can understand not using the ultramarine’s chapter tactic (as you have an ultramarine army you’d use instead) but why not white scars, or iron hands or something?

peksi76
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peksi76

Great to see GSC in action once again, one thing Magus can only cast one power per phase this have been happening before also.

Sway
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Sway

Just a quick one on property purchasing – English property law effectively goes back to the Magna Carta! No wonder it’s a tad convuluted…

However, nothing stopping you communicating with others in the chain – estate agents hate it, but it’s the only way to keep them and the solicitors moving. I setup a WhatsApp group, and drove the whole irritating and annoying thing.

Khi Burgess
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Khi Burgess

You guys make me laugh so much you should consider doing some Blodbowl games you guys with that game i think my sides would implode with laughter.

EvenTheTurtle
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EvenTheTurtle

At 54ish minutes you gave the biker bomb +1 to hit citing the jackal alphus ability, but i didn’t see an alphus withing 12″ of those bikers to give that buff, also this is more of a funny thing, the psychic phase in that same turn Lawrence Called “Might from beyond” “mental onslaught”

Jamess9
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Jamess9

Also: great game, guys! Keep up the excellent work 🙂

Alex Andersson
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Alex Andersson

Yeah, I mean yeah. Hopefully the new codex will shift things but marines are not a very good army, least of all a pure primaris salamanders. The last video with them had some good comments, but I think it’s worth to repeat that I think you guys need to rethink how you play them. The 30x veteran intercessors are just not that hot. Like, they hit like ork boyz in combat even with the new angels of death rules, but unlike the orks you don’t have 30 of em blobbed up. I’m just not seeing any conventional list with marines… Read more »

Lector27
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Lector27

Oof, brutal stuff. I know that Beard and Spider don’t usually play against each other, but a great matchup against the Cult is Battle Sisters …

Brothinder
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Bone! Salamander re-rolls! you forgot a few times, especially in overwatch! but dont think it would have mattered, unlucky mate. the curse of lawrence “your list is much better than mine” baker strikes again

Chris Burris
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Chris Burris

LOVED this report! What is hilarious is that only a small portion of your army actually neutered Bone’s list. I am finding that my Ridgerunners are ok at grabbed objectives, but the mining laser is just very unreliable. Same goes for the trucks…however my incinerator rockgrinders often get ignored and they do surprisingly well in combat. Lawrence you need to try one or more Kelermorphs (Opressors Bane relic). This guy earns his points back sooo quickly and generally makes a mess of critical characters or primaris. I have even used him next to a massive blob of Brood Bros…just kill… Read more »

Porthos
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Porthos

Would be really up for a rematch with the Void Dragons list adjusted as discussed.

Can you please drop all the repulsors to free up the points? They don’t benefit from chapter tactics, so they default disrupt an army’s tactical setup. I’d love to see librarians, infiltrators, an Ancient with aggressors and hellblasters in tow.

And against GC, perhaps Ultramarine chapter tactics?

Timothy Barsotti
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Timothy Barsotti

Is it possible to Chromecast these videos? I am able to do it through YouTube (freeview).

Viktor
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PS. GSCs are not very good in the tournament scene at least in my experience as they are more like a gatekeeper army. They either do very well or get demolished. Imperium soups are doing pretty well against them AM mortar team or wyverns to kill objective campers and Deathwatch kill teams are a really hard counter to hoard armies like that with 40 AP-2 (exploiting a glaring weakness of acolytes as they are T3 5+, meaning those 40 shots could be killing on 2’s rerolling) shots for around 200 points. Plus GSC has no good answer to knights so… Read more »

Joshua
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Quick correction, Lawrence. You could not have moved those jackals after using drive by demolitions. Per the FAQs, a unit who comes in from reinforcements cannot move for any reason except to charge. Can’t warp time. Can’t fire and fade. And so on. (A Perfect Ambush is a specific exception to this, of course.)

Viktor
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Hey TTT team, just wanted to ask are there any plans to do a studio Deathwatch? DW is fairly underrepresented in battle reports but they are very tactical and are not struggling like regular marines do. Plus DW is very good for Tactica.

CPT-BIRDSEYE
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CPT-BIRDSEYE

i think you actually broke bone, he looked sooo deflated in the wrap up hahahaaa
Dont worry bone i know your pain, my mate is Lawrences missing child/clone or something!!!

freak of nature, soooo damn lucky all of the time.

Ross Mcpherson
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Ross Mcpherson

Just bought me some Jackals so loved seeing this! Thanks guys!!!

Kerubi
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Kerubi

Awesome BR 😁 you guys should really use the phobos captain with the Priority Target WT in those SM lists. 40 Bolter shoots hitting on 2+ rerolling 1s is nasty. Even on some Hellblaster it makes life funnier😋

Thomas
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Oh look a new batrep!! Oh wait… its GSC, yeah F that…. Lets just wait for the next one (and all ya haters out there…. too bad someone doesnt like your army)

EvenTheTurtle
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EvenTheTurtle

Unfortunately I won’t be able to finish this tonight, but I have enjoyed your gsc army, with it being the army i’m currently working on I’m always excited to see a list played. I miss the forum I really enjoyed looking at other’s lists and just generally love the community that ya’ll have cultivated

lachlan stockley
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lachlan stockley

Space marines are just in a really bad place right now, for many reason as we all know. I don’t think it is unfun to bring some gaurdsmen along with them. It can be fluffly and it makes for better games. If you are not ultramarines you just get tagged and its all over.

The Providia Campaign
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The Providia Campaign

Being an old school genestealer cult fan/player two Patriarchs hurts my heart from a fluff perspective, But such is 40k in 2019. Beautiful looking army regardless.

Brian Rae
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I cant help but think that against an assaulting horde army, Ultramarines chapter tactics would have served Bone better. He’d have done well simply moving out of combat and gunning down those assaulting units.

Stephen Boxall
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Personally, I think that game simply came down to the fact that GSC are just better than Space Marines. Bone did nothing major wrong, but a horde army like that wins 9/10.

As for Infiltrators, they’re very expensive. I’m unsure on them

Jamess9
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Jamess9

Hey lawrence, one thing you can do with the Ridge Runners is put them in an outrider detachment that is Hive Cult. Then have a character nearby with the Hive Cult WT which allow re-roll 1s within 6”. Then there is a strat called Cold Logic (or something) that is Hive Cult only that gives +1 to hit for units that target a model that has already been successfully hit. So combine that with a Jackal Alphus you can have the RRs hitting on 2s re rolling 1s. And then you might want to have the character surrounded by neophytes… Read more »

Yurahawk1
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Yurahawk1

Slightly off topic: what silly british property purchasing laws were Lawrence and Bone talking about in the begging of the batrep? I’m thinking about moving to the UK, so I really want to know this kind of stuff. Thanks in advance!

4thHorseman
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4thHorseman

I know you guys, probably only have the Rain effect Intro, but its quite repetitive. Maybe Dust or Snow?

Andrew Simpson
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Andrew Simpson

Felt a bit sorry for bone there. He looked a bit crushed in the wrap up. It’s tough, hindsight maybe keep first turn charge up the board, get on 3 objectives and create an alamo of sorts, what about reivers…? Deep strike, good combat ability, inceptors to? , I just don’t dig on the redemeptors too much, think this type of opponent that high movement and high rate of fire combined is essential. Chin up bbone did the best with what you had against Lawrence who only needs to look at an army to be seasoned with it.

Bloodgrave
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Bone, loving your Primaris list! Do not worry about anti tank too much, just kitbash your 3 Repulsors into the new Repulsor Executioner (swap pintle mount gattling for a heavy stubber, i know not great, but swap the turret heavy stubber for a Heavy Laser Destroyer) thats 12 str10, -4ap, dam3-6 shots baby!

Lector27
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Lector27

Wait, Spider since you have 5 HQs, 6 Troops, and 3 Fast Attack, was there a reason you couldn’t expand the list into 2 battalions and an outrider? I get confused with their detachment speciifc rules, tryna figure out if I’ve missed something lol