Warhammer 40,000 Battle Report: Iron Hands vs Death Guard 2000pts

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Spider hosts Bone and Beard as they get to grips with the all new Iron Hands Codex and field it against the Death Guard!

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The Army Lists are: 

Iron Hands

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium – Space Marines) ++

**Chapter Selection**: Iron Hands

+ HQ +

Primaris Chaplain

Primaris Librarian: Force sword

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
5x Intercessor
Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
5x Intercessor
Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
5x Intercessor
Intercessor Sergeant

+ Elites +

Aggressor Squad: 5x Aggressor, Aggressor Sergeant
Auto Boltstorm Gauntlets/Fragstorm Grenade Launcher

+ Heavy Support +

Repulsor Executioner: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy Laser Destroyer, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, 2x Storm bolter, Twin Heavy Bolter, Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber

Repulsor Executioner: 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launcher, Heavy Laser Destroyer, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, 2x Storm bolter, Twin Heavy Bolter, Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium – Space Marines) ++

**Chapter Selection**: Iron Hands

+ HQ +

Primaris Captain: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle, Power sword, Warlord

Primaris Lieutenants
Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle

+ Elites +

Redemptor Dreadnought: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon

Redemptor Dreadnought: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon

Redemptor Dreadnought: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon

++ Total: [109 PL, 1,986pts] ++

Death Guard

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos – Death Guard) ++

+ HQ +

Daemon Prince of Nurgle: 6. Arch-Contaminator, Malefic talon, The Suppurating Plate, Warlord, Wings

Daemon Prince of Nurgle: Malefic talon, Wings

+ Troops +

Plague Marines
Plague Champion
Codex: Boltgun, Plague knife
4x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

Plague Marines
Plague Champion
Codex: Boltgun, Plague knife
4x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

Plague Marines
Plague Champion
Codex: Boltgun, Plague knife
4x Plague Marine w/ boltgun
Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher
Plague Marine w/ Special Weapon: Blight launcher

+ Elites +

Plague Surgeon: Balesword

+ Fast Attack +

Myphitic Blight-haulers
Myphitic Blight-hauler: Missile launcher, Multi-melta
Myphitic Blight-hauler: Missile launcher, Multi-melta
Myphitic Blight-hauler: Missile launcher, Multi-melta

+ Heavy Support +

Plagueburst Crawler: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy slugger

Plagueburst Crawler: 2x Plaguespitter, Heavy slugger

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos – Death Guard) ++

+ HQ +

Malignant Plaguecaster: 2. Gift of Contagion

Typhus: 1. Miasma of Pestilence, 5. Putrescent Vitality

+ Troops +

Poxwalkers: 15x Poxwalker

Poxwalkers: 15x Poxwalker

Poxwalkers: 14x Poxwalker

++ Total: [122 PL, 1,996pts] ++



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Worldspawn
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After watching this new Iron Hands chapter in action I honestly fear the upcoming Adepta Sororitas codex will be outdated before it even arrives, kinda like Chaos was.

Bulwyf
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Bulwyf

I knew before the first dice was thrown that the IH army was going to curb stomp my beloved Death Guard. Anyone that thinks Iron Hands aren’t broken and completely OP is deluding themselves. SIt back, castle, reroll everything and win game. 8th edition started out so well but it is really becoming less fun the longer the edition lasts. Armies like my beloved Death Guard and Space Wolves are completely outclassed by top tier and even mid tier armies at this point.

Matthew Williams
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Matthew Williams

Trying to watch this video but keeps popping up with an error message so cant 😭 not sure if this is my end or not 🤔

Samuel Aster
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Samuel Aster

As much as i love you guys and laugh with you this is just sad to watch, makes me angry when i see this and what happened to the great 8th edition. I know not your fault but i would prefer if i never had to watch Iron hands again. You have to admit they are not just “really good” they are completely broken. We have gotten to a point where only rerolls count, rerolls everywhere, not to forget these castles, only to get to the point to reroll everything. I really loved 8th at the beginning but now i… Read more »

Keibo
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Keibo

Fun game. Iron hand rules and missed opportunities for stratagems (overwatch & duty eternal) didn’t even matter 🤣

Elbows
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Elbows

Good report as always, but I’m sad to say it’s just twisting the dagger further. I haven’t played 40K in five months or more because I simply lost interest anytime someone picks up 60+ dice with a half dozen special rules propelling the game into a wash of 2+ re-rollable stuff. I’d like to stay a subscriber but I struggle every month since my passion for the game is rapidly diminishing. This, of course, is not your fault at all…maybe I can be sated if you guys return to some narrative reports or something!

Bobamelius
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Bobamelius

Those dreadnoughts always remind me of the Marlon Webb Take On Me video

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ThirstyRed
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ThirstyRed

Give Beard the filthy list next time.

David Graham
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David Graham

Hi Long time happy Viewer, Fan, and On Demand Subscriber Boss. Your content is great but soo dissapointed this is locked behind a 1 year subscription considering i have been a subscriber for 2 years and i prefer to pay monthly but im sure in not the only this is not hate mail its much need constructive Critism so please rethink this 1 year subscribtion idea because its really not fair hope u agree kind regards, Keep being Bosses!👍💪

Dean Brereton
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Dean Brereton

Go Iron Hands that’s what I say, love a new big threat that mixes things up. Would love to see a Leviathan thrown in, watched a game today between Iron hands and Ulthwe which I thought might be a tough match with mortal wounds from the sheer volume of mind bullets but nope, too tough

Robert Pickin
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Robert Pickin

I would love to see a Tactica of Iron hands vs The Void spiders (and any allies if needed).

Princeps Augustus
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Princeps Augustus

Hooray for the new studio! It’s looking great gentlemen.

This was not your best battle report, I am sure you can upper the game and show a better competitive list clashing. I blame however that badly shaved new guy on the camera. 😉

wydjaz
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wydjaz

Hey,
thanks for the amazing battle rep in the new studio. This looks fantastic.
I was wondering if it would not have been better for beard to split de damage from the repulsors on the plaguecrawler turn 1. I guess this way extra damage could not be carried over to the next model. 🙂

Sam Mes
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Sam Mes

Bring in some Iron Hands tactica! Not how I play but should be fun to watch! : )
Also you guys should totally feel ok having say an Iron Warriors detachment of Deredaos or maybe Thousand Sons Predators backing up the Death Guard etc rather then specifically painting Death Guard ones. Single faction is cool but I really don’t think many of us would really get to judgey.

Klod
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Klod

I really like Batreps that have a host and two players. Also great to see Lawrence back! Glad to hear that the studio is almost finished!

I hope we can expect AoS soon. I’m very excited to see you get into it. I would love if you made a video where you sit down and talk about AoS a little bit. How do you like the system, the lore, what armies did you guys pick and why and so on. Listening to you talk about Warhammer is just as much fun as Batreps.

The Providia Campaign
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The Providia Campaign

Remember when GW and the competitive community cried that the sky was falling because of first turn deepstrike and insisted it had to go? The stuff in these recent supplements is ten times worse. Is it that GW’s playtesting is THAT bad, or is the desire to win everyone over to the idea of Primaris THAT strong?

ColbyP
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ColbyP

You might consider taking an Iron Hands Thunderfire Cannon or 2. For only 92pts you get 4d3 60″ S5 -2AP shots that don’t need LoS hitting on 2’s rerolling 1’s in Devastator Doctrine. AND included in that 92 points is a Techmarine character who only needs to stay within 3″ to fire the cannon so you can stick the cannon out of LoS behind a wall or something with the Techmarine up to 3″ away to provide healing for your Executioner tanks. It’s honestly a steal at only 92pts.

Andrew Davis
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Andrew Davis

I thought iron hands would be good but that was insane even against beard and his statistical anomaly of rolling low. I would love to see you do the raven guard next with some if the phobos stuff and classic jump pack marines mixed in 🙂

Christiaan Zweep
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I don’t think the list is fine as long as all future lists are similar in strength… There are just to many special rules, it makes the game far too complex (especially for new players). They said Warhammer Fantasy was to complex and hard to learn, but it is far harder to learn a game if every army has tons of unique special rules… You need a good set of basic rules and general special rules that apply to some units and then a select few unique special rules per army… Then you can rock up at a table, face… Read more »

Andreas Schwarz
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Andreas Schwarz

Still having some problems regarding targeting characters in the shooting phase. How is this handled now?
Also I find it odd seeing B-Bone not playing Death Guard, I mean really odd!

Paneki
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Paneki

B-Bone the rule for the iron hands in the devastator doctrine is that they get to re-roll “A” hit roll of 1 for heavy weapons not all hit rolls of 1. that being said I echo many of the statements already being made that the Iron Hands even when the rules for them are followed to the letter they are a broken army. they don’t require any finesse nor even CP to fuel their lethal abilities. I’ve played 3 games recently against 2 completely different iron hands lists one mechanized and one that was infantry heavy, I played against them… Read more »

FieserMoep
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FieserMoep

Its crazy how quite a few rules for the Iron Hands were forgotten and the Special HQ not even taken yet they still just dominated.

ProsperosMemory
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ProsperosMemory

Lawrence my community and I got into a heated debate about the iron hands and we want to see you bring your ultra-competitive dark Eldar against the iron hands. The concern with the meta for us is that the iron hands are the best codex (for now) and I agree with you unless they bring the other codices in line with this the iron hands aren’t going to be fun to play against

Typhoid_Tony
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Typhoid_Tony

I enjoyed the game but I’m not sure why Beard agreed to swap out his entropy cannons out and then sat back with the crawlers. Although they hit on 4’s, with the prince nearby they could have got some wounds off of that armour. Great banter and game though!

John Tonon
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John Tonon

BLAST YOU TABLETOP TACTICS AND YOUR FAKE NEWS! YOU WILL RUE THE DAY YOU PRESENTED YOUR ALTERNATIVE FACTS AND INCOMPLETE NARRATIVES TO THE IGNORANT MASSES OF THE 21ST CENTURY! DAEMON PRICE, PRINCE OF DAEMONS’ DEFEAT AT THE HANDS OF THE IRON HANDS IS BUT AN ELABORATE RUSE IN MY FORMER MASTER’S PLAN FOR FUTURE GALACTIC CONQUEST! AFTER MY DEFEAT AT THE HANDS OF THE PASTRY CHEF AND HIS CREW OF DEGENERATES IN 65 DAYS BY WAY OF GORGING MYSELF ON BAKERY AND DESSERT, I PRAYED TO NURGLE THAT I MAY NOT DIE. HE HEARD MY PLEA AND TO YOUR AND… Read more »

Mike
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Mike

Beard’s Luck is a skittish woodland creature, emerging rarely from its hiding place to take in the Batreps. It is drawn out slowly, as though approaching against its better judgement, taking deliberate, hesitant steps towards the table, round brown eyes flicking back and forth from one player to another. A peculiar reverence seeps into the viewers’ souls and we all hold our breath. For a few magical moments it lingers at Beard’s side, his dice coming up fives and sixes time after time. Then someone slips up, referring to it directly or moving too abruptly, and away it flies, vanishing… Read more »

felix xerxes Crabtree
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felix xerxes Crabtree

love you guys more than anything, but this batrep felt really bad even from the list mismatch and some of the rule mishaps it felt quite below the usually impecable TT standard.

but you guys are the best cant believe how much you released this week, you guys need a day off i think!

Freeman1021
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Freeman1021

My main problem with the OP Iron hands castle is it requires 0 skill to use!

Gato Volador
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Gato Volador

Bone forgot like a third of the rules and the IH still just steamrolled the DG, laughing all the way to the bank. By the way, I´m not trying to take a swing at Bone, playing a new army is always challnging, and these new marine books are complex and trixy beasts; my comment is more geared towards, “holy sh*t, IH are strong!”

gary percival
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gary percival

That aggressor over watch..:( *screams in binary*

Flapdoddle
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Flapdoddle

Ouch, ouch, ouch.
-SPOILERS- …
… Good game, but my poor battered death guard. Tbh beard’s list just wasn’t up to facing any kind of shooty mech wall. Lately I’ve been running 3-4 Blightlord Termies with Meltas and they do the business. Also the flails are now INCREDIBLE with hateful assault. Don’t give up on the garden, Bone. 🙂

Jez Morris
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Jez Morris

Awesome batrep as usual guys and I love the new studio

I must admit when you corrected the rules for the iron hands when the daemon prince was attacking the aggressors that you were going to correct the death to the false emporers that you missed, couldnt see all the dice but tehre were definately two 6’s there – As a Deathguard player myself I amrouting for Mr Beard

Raffazza
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Raffazza

Great stuff guys! Studio looking great and the spider is back. What’s not to love?! I may be the odd one out… but I think this power curve is ok. We’ve lived power books before, even ones more ‘broken’ than iron hands. We shall see tho 🙂 On the using forge father point… please don’t. The books are actually pretty clear. If you want x special character from a specific chapter they have to be that chapter. Appreciate competitively it is acceptable for ultramarines to be iron hands because the book is good, but as much as I love competitive… Read more »

Muzzatroll
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Muzzatroll

You can’t cast Gift of Contagion on friendly units. It’s not a buffing power. The D3 table is -1 S/A/T!

Michael
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Michael

Really impressed by the new studio, great work, and really looking forward to the new content! (Hope you’ve included some isolation in the former garage so that it doenst get too chilly during winter times 🙂 ) Regarding the battle report: I can fully understand that its difficult to know all the new rules of all new codexes, strategems etc.! In the end it may have not made a big difference – the poor death guard getting obliterated even faster if you would have remembered all chapter tactics and strategemts. As suggested by some of the other bosses, it would… Read more »

Jez Morris
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Jez Morris

In Bens first turn when you got four hits from the executioner and rolled all the FNP at the same time i dont think you played that correctly as its only four hits and excess wounds from a single hit dont move onto the next model, for example if a blight halller has a single wound left with one of the 6’s rolled and failed all 6 FNP it would just kill that one model and the other 5 wounds would be wasted and not passed onto the next model

joonasp
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joonasp

Did anyone else notice the AoS Battletomes on the shelf behind Beards head around 25:42?

Alex Brady
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Alex Brady

Hurts to watch Bone forget Devastator Doctrine’s extra -1 AP vs. Plague Marines. Too many new rules man. 😁

Altansar
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Altansar

Bone, In your Turn 2 shooting phase I think you were forgetting the additional -1 for your heavy weapons?

Kbarnes2
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Kbarnes2

I think that catechism does work for the unit, but it’s worded a little funnily. “when a model in this unit fires” seems to mean that it works for each model when you’re rolling each roll one by one, but obviously you pretty much always use fast rolling dice.

Bellchump
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Bellchump

Without a new edition the subsequent power creep, as we start to see all the factions get a second codex, is going to be insane. Prepare yourselves to see armies getting destroyed in the deployment phase.

Ark
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Ark

iron hands are now a 5+ for overwatch, its 50% more, that first dp charge he should have more than died

Kellen Seaman
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Kellen Seaman

iron hands seems like a bit much. if bone was more familiar he wouldn’t have barely lost a model .boosting overwatch fnp and halving damage .

Eidein
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Eidein

Cheers for the new studio, it looks awesome! and nice to see Lawrence again.
I loved the game (sorry Beard) and how the new marines work, even if it means I probably won’t use my Death Guard very much from here on.
I for one don’t see a problem to make an Obsidian Dragon Feirros… you could convert it a little and say he’s a special character that just happens to have the same abilities as Feirros.
As always thank you for your work

Michael Hansen
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Good news Bone! I’ve mentioned it here a few times, but just to give you some inspiration and share a few experiences, I’ve had great results running a pair of lascannon/missile launcher Helbrutes and a butcher cannon Leviathan for the Death Guard, they all benefit from the fact that you can hide them turn one, and move out and blast away without to hit penalty 😉 Also if you can position them well enough, a twin las/missile Helbrute with Fire Frenzy stratagem do so much work if the enemy is not careful with his vehicle positioning. Their weakness is of… Read more »

Brett Pettitt
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Brett Pettitt

The Astraeus is an amazing tank – but its cost at around 750 points makes it difficult to field properly, i know i have one. It can just about tank a knight in 1 turn, it will obliterate a flyer a turn, but 2 executioners are better. This i know from personal experience and after the tank is gone there generally isnt much left of your army……. that said…….. if you want to use rules as written it is still the only super heavy that can shot more than once at overwatch even tied down, (if you do rules as… Read more »

nab
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nab

Ouch. Welcome to the Iron Hands meta…

I think something went wrong with wound allocation on the nurgle wheelchairs? Damage doesnt carry over from one model to another in units, unless its mortal wounds, but beard just rolled fnps for all 4 hits from the Exec laser destroyer, and no overkill happened, with pretty high damage rolls?

Great to see the new studio is up and running, it looks absolutely awesome.

Cheers

Frazer Bakas
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Frazer Bakas

Plague Surgeon allows re-roll 1s of Disgustingly Resilient 🙂

Ryan Muza
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Ryan Muza

Beard mate you really need to get a tattoo with DttfE! That being said I’m surprised Bone and Lawrence didn’t point it out either haha

William
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5 videos in a week? MADNESS!