Warhammer 40,000 Battle Report: Ultramarines vs Imperial Knights 2000pts

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It’s another new Codex Report as the Ultramarines go on a brutal training exercise with the Knights!

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The Army Lists are: 

Ultramarines

++ Battalion Detachment 12CP (Imperium – Adeptus Astartes – Ultramarines) ++

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Detachment CP

+ HQ +

Captain: Chainsword, Jump Pack, Paragon of War, Storm shield, Teeth of Terra, Warlord

Librarian: Force stave

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad
3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
Space Marine Sergeant
Boltgun/Bolt pistol
Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Tactical Squad
3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
Space Marine Sergeant
Boltgun/Bolt pistol
Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Tactical Squad
3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
Space Marine Sergeant
Boltgun/Bolt pistol
Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Tactical Squad
3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
Space Marine Sergeant
Boltgun/Bolt pistol
Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Tactical Squad
3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
Space Marine Sergeant
Boltgun/Bolt pistol
Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

Tactical Squad
3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
Space Marine Sergeant
Boltgun/Bolt pistol
Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Meltagun

+ Fast Attack +

Inceptor Squad: Assault bolter x2, 2x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant

+ Flyer +

Stormtalon Gunship: Twin assault cannon, Two Heavy Bolters

Stormtalon Gunship: Twin assault cannon, Two Heavy Bolters

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback: Twin lascannon

Razorback: Twin lascannon

Razorback: Twin lascannon

Razorback: Twin lascannon

Razorback: Twin lascannon

Razorback: Twin lascannon

++ Total: [101 PL, 2000pts] ++

Imperial Knights

++ Super-Heavy Detachment 0CP (Imperium – Imperial Knights) ++

Household Choice: House <Custom>, Household Tradition: Hounds of War, Household Tradition: Stormstriders, Household Traditions (Engine War), Questor Mechanicus

+ Stratagems +

Exalted Court: Exalted Court: 2 Extra Warlord Traits

Heirlooms of the Household: Heirlooms of the Household: 1 Extra Heirloom

+ Lord of War +

Armiger Helverins
Armiger Helverin: Heavy Stubber
Armiger Helverin: Heavy Stubber

Armiger Warglaives
Armiger Warglaive: Heavy Stubber
Armiger Warglaive: Heavy Stubber

Knight Crusader: Character (Knight Lance), Heavy Stubber, Heirloom: Endless Fury, Ironstorm Missile Pod, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Ion Bulwark
Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon w/ Heavy Stubber: Heavy Stubber, Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon

Knight Gallant: Character (Exalted Court), Heavy Stubber, Heirloom: Armour of the Sainted Ion, Reaper Chainsword, Thunderstrike gauntlet, Warlord Trait: Landstrider

Knight Preceptor: Character (Exalted Court), Heavy Stubber, Ironstorm Missile Pod, Reaper Chainsword, Warlord Trait: Cunning Commander

++ Total: [104 PL, -3CP, 2,000pts] ++



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Benja,min Sims
Benja,min Sims
21 hours ago

Would you mind adding points for the units in the army lists?

Brett Pettitt
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Brett Pettitt
2 days ago

Poor B-bone, those dice gods are fickle, you should of been deleting a few units a turn. Still you soldier on – just remember the day of fate will finally come.

On a note about space marines, how do you guys feel about the bunker, especially from an imperial fist/ crimson fist stand point?

Forge of Atlas
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Forge of Atlas
2 days ago

That lone inceptor surviving… uhh. However I believe a stratagem called Death Grip would’ve given you another pretty good chance of making short work of it! But let’s be fair, pretty much everything was stacked against your luck here BBone. Some Lawrence magic on top of it sealed the deal :’D

Last edited 2 days ago by Forge of Atlas
RichieC
RichieC
2 days ago

Plant Counter:
Bone: 3
Beard:1
Chef:1

MasterWis
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MasterWis
2 days ago

Hahaha what an hilarious Bat Rep.
At least we can say the Knights tried ^^

Andrew Johnson
Andrew Johnson
3 days ago

Poor Plant King B-Bone! I feel physical pain when you roll like that versus Spider’s perpetual successes! However, this was an excellent highlight of how the Knights are obsolete/unplayable.

Bulwyf
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Bulwyf
3 days ago

BBone! My heart hurts for you watching this. Those rolls were Beard quality. When you point out how your 300+ point model hadn’t killed anything in two turns I mean what can anyone do at that point?

BigGrim
BigGrim
3 days ago

Gods Bone! What kinda luck do you have Bud?!?

MasterWis
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MasterWis
3 days ago

I am still confused about Storm Shield. 4+ invulnerable save and add 1 to saving throw. So if you have as well a Iron Halo (or an in built 4++ like Custodes), can you add 1 to that invul save and effectively go back to a 3++ ? Basically saying “I take this save on my iron halo and apply the storm shield bonus”

Andrew Davis
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Andrew Davis
3 days ago

With knights balance they could just give them a similar rule as custodes with their objective secure.

Warp5p1d3r
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Warp5p1d3r
3 days ago

who let lawrence out of his hole?

Tyler Heppler
Tyler Heppler
3 days ago

You guys are great, but paying to see someone with a knight list get beat up by an Ultramarine list with 100 lascannons just feels…bad. You say you don’t have Guilliman, but SM/UM have rerolls anyways from many different sources. Let’s please not tailor these lists when facing an inferior faction, it’s just not entertaining or educational to the watchers.
I’m truly sorry you have to play some of these lists, Bone.

ajtyrant
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ajtyrant
3 days ago

I’m in tears XD I love Bone soooo much, poor thing

D J kiepura
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D J kiepura
3 days ago

Started off well enjoyed the chat but man are marines so boring to watch.. Just got an answer for everything between strategems and pstchic/relics and traits. “Ohh these thing your army do? Well i pay 2 cp and do it better”

totaly switched off 1 turn in.. i mean the luck really makes it so much worse lol.

Last edited 3 days ago by D J kiepura
Kassket
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Kassket
4 days ago

What is the plasma combo that Lawrence mentioned in the list review section for plasma inceptors.

GingerKidd
GingerKidd
4 days ago

I always feel like we should pay attention when they say “This army should get this, or they should do this,” just in case they may be alluding to something

Rozh Sadon
Rozh Sadon
4 days ago

Interesting Spider goes on about 9 baby knights, I’ve been debating doing the same thing. I think they’re really necessary to have enough “stuff” to play the game. Without them there’s too many secondaries you just cannot pick (engage on all fronts, Domination, etc) and primary is a nightmare. I don’t even like big combat knights because there’s so many armies out there that just LOVE to get a Knight in combat and eat it (Death Guard, Custodes, Blood Angels, the list goes oooooon).
I would love to see you guys show off a 9 baby knight list.

George Edwards
George Edwards
4 days ago

Poor B-bone

Gregory Hess
Gregory Hess
4 days ago

This was tough to watch. Do you both discuss the lists you are bringing before hand? The amount of melta and lascannons in the UM list seemed tailored for facing a knight list.

bart wasteels
bart wasteels
4 days ago

If you want to play Knights, double ranged weapons as House Lucaris. Suddenly their fight phase is amazing, even with feet.

Robert Walker
Robert Walker
4 days ago

Nice to see the Ultramarines again! Would enjoy seeing them in a few more games with the new codex. Maybe a narrative continuation of the Gaius war now we have two new codexs…

Aparach
Aparach
5 days ago

Got to say Bbone, really feeling for you whenever you play Lawrence. Sure he is a very good player, but its almost incredible how one-sided the luck can get sometimes! The entertainment is golden though! Much love<3

PunchieCWG
PunchieCWG
5 days ago

Bbone trying his VERY best to stay optimistic and family friendly makes me laugh so much 😆

Gary Percival
Gary Percival
5 days ago

Haven’t watched this one yet….don’t tell me….spider wins right ?

Martin Holsbrink
Martin Holsbrink
5 days ago

Maybe a bit unfair with the terrain that blocked line of sigt but still allowed the inceptors to score and forced the Gallant to run around it.

James Newell
James Newell
5 days ago

Given the last few batreps featuring Marines had Razorbacks with Assault Cannons what was the thinking behind switching over to Lascannons? I feel the SMs would probably still of won anyway but was just curious if you knew about the match up before creating the list? Not that the Spider would tailor his list just beat the Bbone right 😉

Matt Hall
Matt Hall
5 days ago

The Knights as a super heavy auxiliary work well in the Ad mechs, get a Knight crusader all guns and let rip as the rest of the army do there thing and keep the ankle biters away. Worth 3cp. Do the Titanic tango if need be. Not the battle cannon though not worth 100 points.

Gluon
Gluon
5 days ago

This is what happens, when you rotate your ion shields in the wrong direction.

Alex Andersson
Alex Andersson
5 days ago

Aw that was rough, I think the bad dice for Bone was so unfortunate aswell. Looking forward to seeing more of the ultramarines. Personally I think it should be evident to everyone that the Codex: SM is not a nerf on a macro scale, with the new units and access to so many core options, tricks, brute power units and obsec manipulation they are looking incredibly strong. I will say though, that the internal balance leaves a very sour taste, certainly between the vanilla supplements and the upcoming non compliant codecies – I think thats where things are going to… Read more »

Phil Winterbourne
Phil Winterbourne
5 days ago

My commiserations Bone, and thank you for giving it a shot. Yes you could have finessed them a little bit better if you were more familiar with the rules, but It wouldn’t have changed a thing. I love my knights, but they are consigned to the shelves as well :'(

Nicholas Lucas
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Nicholas Lucas
5 days ago

Pure Knights are dang near impossible to play I think. Good go at it Bone, maybe more Warglaives next time? They are actually not a bad little unit.

Also Taranis is the only House, in my opinion, worth anything. As you saw Knights still die fairly easily and need all the help they can get.

One Valiant+9 Warglaives I say! Pack Tactics for everyone!

Harley Houldcroft
Harley Houldcroft
5 days ago

:’D

Joker
Joker
5 days ago

I really felt for Bone but I do so love seeing the Ultramarines win. The Gaius war series is why I have an Ultramarines army and as I’m sure GW really appreciated your play testing then surely an official Artemis data sheet would be a nice thank you 💪

Chalen Godwin
Chalen Godwin
5 days ago

Bone, OMG bro 3 failed saves and the a 6 on explosion!!!! Your killing me bud, I feel so bad for you when that happens lol

Subteram
Subteram
5 days ago

Bless you Bone you poor soul. As you cry this day the Machine Spirit cries with you ;.;

Princeps Augustus
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Princeps Augustus
6 days ago

Mr Bone, to my arms, my friend, this was painful to watch.
Tabletop Tactics – Bone’s Botanical research? Tactical Ikebana? …

Knockham
Knockham
6 days ago

This was really like the Imperial Knights: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly video, but without the Good or the Bad.

Neil Newman
Neil Newman
6 days ago

I personally think GW should look at variable points costs. Like if your entire army is battle forged knights etc etc you can reduce the points costs of all titanic models by 100 points or something of that nature. I think there is potential there along with your other ideas. it helps give knights a boost whilst not making them too good and facilitate constant souping again, as you mentioned was a concern In the faction focus video. Other factions that bring a knight as an ally pay the full price, and thus they’re not nearly as efficient. I think… Read more »

Chris Brown
Chris Brown
6 days ago

Nearly 40 minutes in and we are still on the lists 😂 I don’t mind in fact I think I prefer it when you guys go off on a tangent, always find what you guys have to say about factions insightful and worth listening to. Lawrence and BBone my favourite matchups, great work guys it was a pleasure to watch as always!

Carl Jette
Carl Jette
6 days ago

Maybe make knight obsec and their wounds are counted as the number of models, so the more damage it takes the less effective it is

André Ferl
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André Ferl
6 days ago

I can recommend the costum household trait “Unremitting” to help with shot consistency, since you can reroll one dice for every gun that has a random number of attacks. Moreover, you can use the “Cold Eradication” WL Trait to get an additional dice for determining the number of shots. Thats how I play atm, and it works fine for me. (I am even using a Castellan, it is good, when used properly). You have to be very aggressive with all of your units and stomp fowards and put pressure on your opponent. Try to be as active as possible in… Read more »

Pork_Chop
Pork_Chop
6 days ago

As a competitive knight soup player I feel as if Taranis is the only viable option. Also using all fifteen stomps from you gallant probably would of finished off the Inceptors.

schnebeni
schnebeni
6 days ago

I feel like you’d like Chaos Knights more, B-Bone. You can take all melee knights with a custom house of Abominable Constitution and Pride Filled Fury. That way, you’re always on your top profile. Then, to hold objectives, just summon daemons as you move across the board to sit on objectives. I feel like that’s a B-Bone list, all fury and no mercy!

Knockham
Knockham
6 days ago

Bottom Turn 1 Charge Phase: Bone used a reroll to charge the big Knight into the Inceptors and then used a reroll to reroll the save on his Warglaive

Son of Dorn
Son of Dorn
6 days ago

Ah, another fine Saturday afternoon, the sun is shining, the washing flapping in the breeze and Bone in the fetal position with the plants, all is normal again.

Karlosdjackle
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Karlosdjackle
6 days ago

I thought knights were all obsec and counted as ten models or something?

Sebastian
Sebastian
6 days ago

Knights are still super-strong.
It’s almost impossible to win against Knights with my Ynnari.

Also, the Hounds of War custom tradition allows Warglaives to shoot OR (!) charge after falling back, not both.

Last edited 6 days ago by Sebastian
DObkeratops
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DObkeratops
6 days ago

Poor Knights. How do Chaos Knights fare now? if they are equally as bad at least a Imperial Knights vs Chaos Knights would be a more fun batrep.

James Foster
James Foster
6 days ago

Oxford Dictionary:
Insincerity: “You could genuinely win this game” – Lawrence Baker 2020
🙃

Simon Christensen
Simon Christensen
6 days ago

I know you guys play alot of Armies, but as a Knight player this was painfull to watch.
Given the limited number of Units and weapons, target allocation and using all your rules is important.
I love Bone, but it could have been a closer fight if he had tweaked his play a little.
The Rapid Redeploy really made it tough, making his galant hit Primaris Gravis marines which are the worst target for him in the entire UM army