Warhammer 40,000 Faction Focus: The Good, Bad & Ugly – *NEW CODEX* Deathwatch

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Alex Andersson
Alex Andersson
1 month ago

Great video guys, stay safe! Would have enjoyed a little bit more discussion on interesting stratagems/relics/traits. But I realise you were strapped for time on this one. I mentioned this in the SW: Supplement review and I can only echo it here. I hope we see them step away from rulesdesign that is directly fluffy and go for a more indirect, opponent neutral approach going forward. In this case, I would have much preferred them to have delved deeply into rules that supported the kill-teams and SIA caupled with a flexible doctrine (like the current one). And then perhaps kept… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Alex Andersson
Joseph Hughes
Joseph Hughes
1 month ago

Brilliant video guys thank you. I think one good thing you didn’t touch on is the warlord trait “paragon of the chapter”, where you can take a warlord trait from a different SM chapter. I can see this combined with our doctrines allowing you to retool your army for a lot of different play styles, also CP farm if you use the ultramarine 5+ when you use a strategy. Downside is if you have to use certain ones for certain heraldry, though easy to get around with a watch master with no defined heraldry I think. Chef I wondered what… Read more »

gwyn
gwyn
1 month ago

well, i hope i can still teleport leviathan on turn two, switch to devastator doctrine a goes trrrrrrr trrrrr trrrr on everything. Loosing SIA is bad, especialy for veterans with stromshield+stormbolter combo..but hey, lots of new options, it’s something i quess

Wil Sterling
Wil Sterling
1 month ago

Chef, I know you touched on it a bit but there’s a middle ground for Primaris between “everybody get’s SIA” and “nobody get’s SIA”. Only Intercessors could use it back in 8th (for good reason), and had they basically created a “Deathwatch Bolt Rifle” and “Deathwatch Stalker Bolt Rifle” (to mirror their Firstborn cousins’ wargear) I think the Fortis Team would be a looooot more interesting. Unfortunately all it is now is a delivery mechanism for 5 ObSec Outriders that can Kool-Aid Man through terrain cause they’re still Infantry. As to Vets, losing the mixed squad rules for Proteus teams… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Wil Sterling
Exsomnia
Exsomnia
1 month ago

I’ll start by saying I have not watched the discussion yet so my mind may well be changed on several things. That being said, I’ve read several other reviews of the supplement so here’s my 2 cents, for what it’s worth… – Firstly, I don’t understand the overall negativity with this book. Personally, I think it is far more of a triumph than not. Coupled with the SM codex, I can actually see viability that arguably was not there before. That in itself is a win. They were never going to give DW their own full codex as well as… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Exsomnia
john roberts
john roberts
1 month ago

I’m thinking the batrep should be SW vs DW. 2 birds, 1 stone. Worked great for SM vs crons!

Matthew O'Hara
Matthew O'Hara
1 month ago

I guess I just don’t get the point of SIA now; being only on a bolter makes it a fringe rule. The new ammo rules are great but that fact that is coming off regular bolters is kind of like…. meh?
Almost wonder if they should have just should have just removed it from the book altogether and pulled the bandage off.

Nathan Whitchurch
Nathan Whitchurch
1 month ago

I really feel that Deathwatch should have gotten the same treatment (as a non-supplement) that Grey Knights are going to get. That way you could give them that flexibility and point them all appropriately. As it is now its a fairly flavorless marine chapter that as you said is quite rigid in its structure and as other below have called out as glaring omissions in the units (looking at you Primaris Watchmaster). The killteams by armor type comes across as completely arbitrary. While at first blush it looks like they wanted to keep the toughness and movement stats the same… Read more »

Stefano
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Stefano
1 month ago

I’m going to comment on this from the point of view of someone who only plays Primaris, and in the past used Deathwatch quite often. There are some good things, but on the whole I find this book really, really disappointing. Some reasons: there’s no Primaris Watchmaster, so you can’t use the stratagem to change the target loosing the value of half of the chapter tactic the fact that you cannot mix the armor types and that we lost the bonuses it brought make the kill teams mostly useless: I can maybe justify putting a couple of Hellblasters in an… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Stefano
PunchieCWG
PunchieCWG
1 month ago

Watching Chef try to not get derailed, by Bone’s tangentd was tremendous.😆

Peter Hillard
Peter Hillard
1 month ago

I think this is a pretty decent book, with the caveat that the mission tactics ability can promote some weirdly undeathwatch builds. Like, because you can choose doctrines there’s an arugment to be made for a DW list thats full of redemptors and galdiators hiding turn one, then popping out turn two in the right doctrine to put out an ungodly number of shots with buffed AP. It’s an interesting list, but very not fluffy at all. Suprised this video also missed the ability to give a unit any chapter trait for a turn because that seems extremly powerful honestly.… Read more »

emperorsfinestselection
emperorsfinestselection
1 month ago

As always a good summary! Thanks for your evaluation. I think in general the DW tunrs a bit down, but already got a big buff with the codex SM so in summary the army went up. Totally agree, they get some great combos with psychicpowers, relics and warlordtraits. On a personal “fluff/lore-based-side” DW was my first army I started to collect cause I like the flavour of an elite of the elite drawn together to fight against different aliens threats…awesome! Forcing them in line with regular SpaceMarines is a bit of a shame. They are treated as “another chapter” but… Read more »

Darren Fahey
Darren Fahey
1 month ago

So the big question is if I leave all my storm bolters on my vets am I missing out on SIA? Or is the extra rapid fire still worth it. 😭😭😭
Thanks for the video lads. Some stuff to think about.

Last edited 1 month ago by Darren Fahey
John Barber
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John Barber
1 month ago

They could have done special issue ammunition as a pre-game strategem that you spend on a unit, like the Daemon banners from codex daemons.

David
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David
1 month ago

As a Grey Knight player I am stoked we will be getting a codex rather than a supplement.
Seems like giant nerfs to armies in the supplements so far. Both in fluff and rules.

I wonder if they will do supplements for chaos (outside of the confirmed DG).