Warhammer 40,000 Tactica Report: Space Marines vs Drukhari 2000pts

Avatar Tabletop Tactics September 19, 202018  74 18 Likes

Will the Venom spam of Spider and the Drukhari be enough to deal with the flames and rerolls of Bone and the Space Marines?

0:00 Show Start

3:45 Space Marine Army List

9:05 Drukhari Army List

18:16 Start of Game

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The Army Lists are: 

Space Marines

++ Battalion Detachment ++

Chapter Tactics: Successor- Long-ranged Marksmen, Stealthy

Parent Chapter: Salamanders

+ HQ +

Primaris Chapter Master: Warlord- Lord of Fire, Relic- The Vox Espiritum, Master-crafted Auto Bolt Rifle

Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted Auto Bolt Rifle

+ Troops +

6x Intercessor Squad: Auto Bolt Rifles
Intercessor Sergeant
5x Intercessor

6x Intercessor Squad: Auto Bolt Rifles
Intercessor Sergeant
5x Intercessor

5x Intercessor Squad: Auto Bolt Rifles
Intercessor Sergeant
4x Intercessor

+ Elites +

5x Aggressor Squad: Flamestorm Gauntlets

5x Aggressor Squad: Flamestorm Gauntlets

+ Dedicated Transport +

Impulsor: 2x Storm Bolters, Shield Dome

Impulsor: 2x Storm Bolters, Shield Dome

Impulsor: 2x Storm Bolters, Shield Dome

Repulsor: Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Twin Lascannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon, 2x Krakstorm Grenade Launcher, 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers, 2x Storm Bolters, Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber

Repulsor: Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Twin Lascannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon, 2x Krakstorm Grenade Launcher, 2x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers, 2x Storm Bolters, Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber

++ Total: 2,000pts ++

Drukhari

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Aeldari – Drukhari) ++

Detachment Type: Kabal of the Flayed Skull

+ HQ +

Archon: Blast Pistol, Huskblade

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors
3x Kabalite Warrior: 3x Splinter Rifle
Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors
3x Kabalite Warrior: 3x Splinter Rifle
Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Flyer +

Voidraven: Two dark scythes, Voidraven Missiles

+ Dedicated Transport +

Venom: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

Venom: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari – Drukhari) ++

Detachment Type: Kabal of the Flayed Skull

Raiding Force

+ HQ +

Archon: Blast Pistol, Hatred Eternal, Huskblade, The Djin Blade, Warlord

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors
3x Kabalite Warrior: 3x Splinter Rifle
Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors
3x Kabalite Warrior: 3x Splinter Rifle
Kabalite Warrior with special weapon: Blaster
Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Elites +

Lhamean

Sslyth

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Flyer +

Voidraven: Two dark scythes, Voidraven Missiles

+ Dedicated Transport +

Venom: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

Venom: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

Venom: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Aeldari – Drukhari) ++

Detachment Type: Kabal of the Flayed Skull

+ HQ +

Archon: Huskblade, Splinter pistol

+ Troops +

Kabalite Warriors
4x Kabalite Warrior: 4x Splinter Rifle
Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors
4x Kabalite Warrior: 4x Splinter Rifle
Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Haywire blaster
Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Flyer +

Voidraven: Two dark scythes, Voidraven Missiles

+ Dedicated Transport +

Venom: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

Venom: Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

++ Total: [108 PL, 1,997pts, 12CP] ++



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War Womble
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War Womble
22 days ago

Great game, great Tactica report. Loved it!
Also, it’s been ages since we’ve seen Custodes on the channel – any chance of a return???
I’m really keen to see how they do in 9th.

Maj. Boredom
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Maj. Boredom
25 days ago

A shame but this game was over before turn 1 finished. I think GW over nerfed Marines after their near total domination of 8th. But then I only watch a few 40k channels and don’t play so it may be different on the tournament scene.

ScorpionP2C
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ScorpionP2C
27 days ago

Had to take a break for awhile (life was mad and I was being bitchy everywhere, including here, sorry about that) from everything. Back and now you have spinny closeups of units as you talk about them in the preview! Very amazing and very nice.
Again sorry for being a jerk >.<

Rozh Sadon
Rozh Sadon
28 days ago

You two are so cute entertaining together, I love it so much.
*Obligatory hate comment about BBone’s stupid, silly, slithering… sensual, sexy, suave voice.*

John Barber
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John Barber
1 month ago

I’m looking at the profile for the haywire blaster, and to me it seems like a pretty good sort of weapon to use even if you aren’t up against Vehicles.
And if you aren’t up against vehicles you have copious amounts of poisoned weapons anyway with the rest of your army.
Dear Lawrence, I think I’ve pleaded this case with you before; but have you considered spamming Mandrakes?

Bulwyf
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Bulwyf
1 month ago

I love Spider (and all the guys at TT) but we all knew how this was going to go. When you have someone that always rolls obscenely high in every game it doesn’t matter what the opponent does. No one could survive Spider’s rolling in this game as is the case for almost every game. I actually feel for Bone and the other guys who take abuse from fans for not beating Spider. You have no control over how the opponent rolls. I also feel for Spider because he is consistently accused of cheating or using loaded dice. Some people… Read more »

Warsmith Magoo
Warsmith Magoo
1 month ago

You can give B-Bone the most boring army list ever and he will turn it to gold.

Philip Leo
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Philip Leo
1 month ago

I’m kind of picking up a vibe in regards to the Obsidian Dragons. It doesn’t seem like anyone actually enjoys playing them. In fact, BBone looked positively repulsed by them today (pun intended;P). I know that the game was already over, but that last combat interrupt by the chapter master spoke volumes. Is it because they are a studio army and no one has any emotional investment in them? Is it because their chapter changes constantly? I think the Obsidian Dragons need a Narrative Report series to build some characters and attachment to the chapter maybe? It’d be nice to… Read more »

SappyCamper
SappyCamper
1 month ago

Could have been a crushing salamander win if Bone used Self Sacrifice on turn 2 to keep his aggressors alive. Still a fun game to watch !

Freeman1021
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Freeman1021
1 month ago

Lawrence laughs at the so called ‘space marine meta’
Seriously Bone a single thunder fire cannon firing twice would have obliterated those scourges……..???

_ewar_
_ewar_
1 month ago

Not at all surprised at the outcome after seeing the lists. I think Spider consistently overestimates marines strength, they have taken a huge hit from the missions and points in 9th. I think Bones list was too heavily committed to the aggressors gimmick. They are ludicrously strong when they shoot but they are also not that hard to remove once they’re out of the tanks, slow and short ranged. Bone really needed some long range, non LOS shooting – a pair of whirlwinds or some TFC to hurt the scourges early would have been my choice. There is also the… Read more »

Benjamin Chia
Benjamin Chia
1 month ago

Great tactica!!! Appreciate the terrain explaination just before the T1 roll off! Cheers and look forward to the replay post-SM codex!

Robert Walker
Robert Walker
1 month ago

I don’t really get your Space Marines are crazy strong argument, Eldar have won the majority of the Space Marine match-ups you have shown on the channel. Space Marines are also not dominating the competitions that are taking place in the USA.
Sure, a casual Space Marine army is generally stronger than other casual armies but in tactical/competitive lists they are not really OP…they keep losing.

MasterWis
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MasterWis
1 month ago

Very nice game. Now however Spider, you have played your Joker card, back to ultimate evil on the channel.
Fun Fact: The only game spider lost this year with pure Drukhari army was back in March against Imperial Fists centurions- so who is OP / Broken really, the army or the player 😉

Last edited 1 month ago by MasterWis
James Frost
James Frost
1 month ago

A good game guys, hopefully that quiets down some of the marine hate on the channel. As for the drukhari I really think people underestimate how good their combination of amazing mobility and the ability to field tonnes of small transports and MSU’s, with the meta looking towards big hitting units like quad lascannon dreads and eradicators, simply having too many small units that tend to get over-killed hard is a surprisingly big advantage.

anders hjelseth
anders hjelseth
1 month ago

The thlyth phathe ith the befft phathe.

Axalender
Axalender
1 month ago

As a Dark Eldar player, I look at the marine list and think, destroy the repulsors and the agressors and then basically relax (which is what Lawrence pretty much did). After those are gone there wasn’t a whole lot left that was actually threatening, so I wonder if throwing in a few power weapons on the marine characters and sergeants would be an idea? Everyone needs to get stuck in around the objectives and even a primaris sergeant with a power fist suddenly becomes quite scary.

Jamess9
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Jamess9
1 month ago

A lot of people had written off Drukhari going into 9th but I don’t think those predictions have been born out. I think virtually any faction can do well competitively currently provided they have a good pilot. Except Knights which are just awful because they can’t hold objectives. But basically any other faction have a chance to do well. And I think that is actually a very good sign.

Yanarfal
Yanarfal
1 month ago

Love the new display boards during list discussion. Would be good if at the end of turn you showed the scores for both sides so we can see how the game is going. Thanks for the great content!

Mortz82
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Mortz82
1 month ago

Oooof, i would need a shower if i used that Flamegressor tactic ?

Parasite
Parasite
1 month ago

Uhh spider, you didn’t pay for the blast pistol or blasters in the third detachment.
No wonder you had spare points for a Sslyth and a Lhamean!

Matthew Carslake
Matthew Carslake
1 month ago

Great video!
It does feel like marines can end up having lots of eggs in a few baskets. Often it comes off because they are so lethal that they remove their opponents’ ability to deal with those baskets. But when the opponent does hold on to the ability to deal with those big threats, they go from a seemingly strong position to struggling really fast. When marines are built with as many diverse threats as possible, appears to be when they’re at their best.

Outbrake
Outbrake
1 month ago

Wait wait wait! NOT everyone plays space marines? WHAAAAAAAAT?

Miles
Miles
1 month ago

I was very interested in seeing The Drukhari list as I have been building a Flayed Skull variant myself but using some raiders instead of complete Venoms. I understand the obsession really plays to having the warriors inside for re-roles etc but what are your thoughts of having say two Incubi units instead?

Robert
Robert
1 month ago

Fun game, very enjoyable. Mr Spider isn’t it about time we Vect’d whatever Sanga’s got going on in the painting dungeon to get some Incubi done?

Jim
Jim
1 month ago

BADALION OR WE RIOT!!!
Also, would love to see the rematch when the new codex comes out.
Love the content!

André Orthmann
André Orthmann
1 month ago

one question: why not deepstriking the scourges? In this case it saved you from losing more wouds on the voidraven but scourges are more fun “behind the enemy”. Or was it mission specific rule?

Mark Orosz
Mark Orosz
1 month ago

So the everyone must be happy because either space marines lose or I lose is a great villain move Lawrence. Although after I thought about it a bit it reminded me of Old Gregg’s line “You must love me exactly as I Love you”

A lot of your games I think are won in the deployment phase Lawrence. Seems to me you usually try to deploy defensively to avoid the first turn alpha and then come in with a haymaker on your first turn. Seems to happen a lot in your games.

Gluon
Gluon
1 month ago

Nice game. One thing’s for sure. If there is ever a movie featuring the Sslyth as a character, there is only one … being … to do the voice acting.

Bastian Birkholz
Bastian Birkholz
1 month ago

Hey Bone, when you tried to wrap the venom, could you not have put the captain on the right site instead of left und then just charge the impulsor to complete the wrap? I know it would not have made a difference, because your marines failed to wound but just theoretically because I think statistically the venom should have died.

waterhou1
waterhou1
1 month ago

I didn’t like the marine list, it was far too vehicle heavy, and I felt the strategy of trying to occupy the middle of the board was playing into the speed of the Drukhari and would allow them to easily envelop and bypass the marines and gain easy access to Bone’s backfield objectives, including the priority objective which was weakly guarded. I feel in this matchup the marines are better castling up on their home two objectives with the ability to throw the odd unit onto the central objective to ensure Lawrence was never easily picking up the 15 primary.… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by waterhou1
Stefano
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Stefano
1 month ago

Interesting game. I’m not sold on the list Bone used, I don’t think Repulsor are a good choice: they cost an absurd amount of points, and while they have a lot of weapons they can be dispatched by most of the anti tank in the game. As Lawrence said I think that most of the lists we will see going forward will be packed with options to destroy transports, so I don’t see a great future for the big floating tanks (unless their rules or the point change). The cycle of war! I main AdMech, I listen to people saying… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Stefano
Matt Large
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Matt Large
1 month ago

I’d be interseted to hear if Lawrence would trade the venoms for Raiders in this style of list. I’ve seen the raiders are nearly done, looking forward to seeing how they go. I’m still a big fan of the Venom, but Raiders are definetly an interesting choice.

Ian Tomlinson
Ian Tomlinson
1 month ago

A really Interesting game, thank you for the trucks and tips. I am definitely waiting until the new codex to start writing lists, I’m really excited for how my little old deathwatch ??

Akrabra
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Akrabra
1 month ago

Not many Space Marine victories In the tournaments that have went off around the world despite covid. I went to Invasion last weekend and there were 2 SM players top 10, but not top 5. Slaanesh Daemons won, which Is awesome. So marines might have the killing power, but they don’t have the best board control In the game atm.

https://www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-invasion-gt/ Worth a read

Last edited 1 month ago by Akrabra
Khi Burgess
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Khi Burgess
1 month ago

Cant wait for the core keyword to become fully online.